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I've been itching to get my hands on this since it was delivered, so time to build it.

Some highlights of the kit:

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Full colour instructions look good with plenty of detail.

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Colour charts for painting the thing

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Track sprue: there are 4 of these

They have some nice details such as:

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Slide moulded guide horns with "3d" details

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Slide moulded track pins with track pin detail on the figure "8" faces

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Loads of track pads...

Hull has some nice detail too:

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Some nice subtle cast texture and (what appears to be) a full set of foundry markings for the entire hull.

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Slide moulded 50cal's and 30cal's - look like there might be a bit of flash on these parts though

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Some PE that looks good and useful.

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Decals for the two versions in the box; "A Paper Doll" and a generic, which is just white stars.

There is however, one glaring problem.

It's the tracks.
One of the marking options is "A Paper Doll". The tracks supplied in the kit are the T80 type.
Unfortunately "A Paper Doll" was fitted with T66 type track, as can be seen in this pic:

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As you can see, there's none of the distinct figure "8" track ends/pins present here, which makes them T66 track.
"A Paper Doll" may have been retrofitted with T80 track at some point, but if it was, I can't find a single picture of it - maybe someone out there has one, if so I'd very much like to see it.
So given this, if your focus is on strict historical accuracy, then the kit is wrong to make "A Paper Doll" and the track will need to be replaced.

Pretty poor research by RFM there I think, and not really in line with the cost of the kit (I paid £40).

But I'm going to build it anyway, just probably not using the kit decals.
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Looks like they're pushing for the hatch open version.

This is on my short list of models to build. I'll definitely be watching.
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:th: :thumb2: Looks a nice kit and in line with what I got in there Tiger 1 kit. Watch out for the wierd/deformed casting pegs on the back of parts :eeek: :jd: :thumb2:
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Hawkmoon wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 8:08 am Watch out for the wierd/deformed casting pegs on the back of parts :eeek: :jd: :thumb2:
Will do... haven't encountered any yet. :thumb2:

Quick progress update.
RFM have you start with the turret - why? Don't know, but OK...

Loaders hatch moulded on detail - it's not great.

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So I got rid of it and put on some Surfacer 500 to redo the cast texture.
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And replaced the springs with some wire, and the hatch handle with some brass.
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Part C18 which is the... jug? looking thing off to the upper left of the loaders periscope has an arm attached to this that goes into a hole on the turret, but the body itself doens't have any locator - no feint marks on the turret, nothing, so you have to line it up with the front of the turret yourself as the arm will let it swing around into any position.

Apparently the Chinese writing here means 'Polycap' - wish I'd known this before I'd checked over all the sprues twice looking for these two parts. A simple 'polycap' translation would have been nice, and saved me about... 20minutes of looking for them.
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Pic speaks for itself really; wrong part number. C2 is obviously the wrong part (C2 is the turret race), but worth pointing out I think, just in case you like to cut first and read the instructions later.... not that I've ever done that, oh no. :ooops:
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And final progress; all the Mr. Surfacer 500 is to clean up join/mould lines. The canvas mantlet cover is quite a fragile construction until it's around the actual mantlet, and there are a few gaps and seam lines that need filling (Mr. Surfacer again)
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So far I haven't run into what I'd call any major problems, although I will say that some of the parts on the turret are hella small and fragile, so be careful.
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Despite the problems you have shown us it does look like a nice kit and your going well.
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:thumb2: Nice start and looking good :th:
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Looks like a nice kit. I have my eye on their new firefly so I'll be watching along.
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So I deviated from the instructions and decided to build the track.
There's a lot of it, and I wanted to get it out of the way.

The tracks are 'handed', so you need to build a 'left' side and a 'right' side, making sure that the track pins are the right way around for each.

The instructions make it look easy:
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Everything is supposed to just snap together in runs of 6 nice and easy, no glue, job done.

However, as with most things it doesn't work like that; here's why.

Start with the guide horns and the track pins.
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If RFM had moulded the guide horns with the same spacings as the trackpins on the sprue, then this job would have been a lot easier. As it stands, you need to attach every guide horn individually, and clean up all 3 sprue attachment points.
Like so:

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You can keep the track pins attached to the sprue, in fact I would recommend this most strongly; these are the pins I removed to test out the 'snap fit' method.

Track pads

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The track pads are supposed to press fit around the trackpins. They don't, and each one must be glued by placing a small dab of TET into the hole of the track, then the rubber pad part inserted in on top.

When the runs are together, they articulate very well:

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Rinse and repeat several times until you have about 10 runs of 7 tracks (don't forget there's half a track on each end...) and then join them together and make up the remainder. You can use the jig for this too:

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When you're done you'll have two complete runs of track and some spares:

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When they're all together they articulate very well, and are reasonably strong.

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The main issue here is time. Time to clean up all the parts - particularly the guide horns - the sprue attachment point is on the lug that attaches it to the pins and absolutely needs to be flat (or as flat as you can get it) else it'll sit crooked on the pins. Once you've done about 20, you'll get a feel for what'll do and what won't and this progresses a little quicker. They're also perfectly shaped to ping out of your tweezers. I don't recommend using the central hole on the top to grab them as this plastic seems soft and will deform under pressure. Ask me how I know... I think I chalked up 2 guide horns to the carpet monster. Not bad going really.
Then there's the time to put it all together - the smallest tap on the jig when the track parts are in it before the pins and rubber pads will send them all flying - and setting every single pad in one by one by tweezers gets laborious. I broke this down into doing a couple of runs, doing something else, then doing another couple of runs. If you use too much glue you can: glue the pins so they don't articulate, glue the track to the jig, glue the links to each other... etc. All are pretty easy fixes, and again once you've done 20 or so you'll get a feel for how much glue is just enough and will be able to get them together reasonably quickly.

I didn't note how many hours it took in total as I didn't count, but it was a lot.

And that's where I'm at with this. I haven't really done anything else to the build except for clean up the surfacer 500 on the turret and re-fill a couple of gaps by the mantlet cover.
Just a note: if having the main gun able to move up/down is important to you, then you can't use the supplied plastic mantlet cover as it glues everything in place so the gun won't move. This doesn't bother me at all, so it's on there. It does need a bit of filler around some of it though.
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That's a whole lot of work but the detail looks great!
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:clap: :clap: :thumb2: Well worth the effort though as the results speak for them selves, go to the top of the class sir :thumb2: :clap: :clap:
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The way those tabs are too short and don't snap tight together makes you wonder do they actually try to build a kit before releasing it OR do they and just shrug there collective shoulders and think they will do better next time ...another kit another day.
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Just caught up with this and a little surprised at RFM's engineering. You're doing a great job knocking it into shape mate but these kind of issues should really have been ironed out in a contemporary kit.

Keep at it though because the end result is going to be superb!
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God! and I was moaning about the tracks on my T62 :eeek:
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Update #4

Start with the 50.cal:
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It comprises.... 18? (I think) parts and is one of the best 50.cal's I've ever seen in plastic. It's a real work of art.
Unfortunately there's some flash around the cooling jacket and some of the smaller parts. Nothing that can't be cleaned up, but for a kit that was tooled in 2019 (according to the sprues) there shouldn't really be any flash. Flash on the parts is a bit of a recurring issue however... The barrel is seperate, and the fitted is one of two options, so you can drill out the holes in the cooling jacket without any problems. The inside of the cooling jacket has a lot of flash, burrs and malformed plastic in it which will stop the barrel fitting properly - it's all got to go and is exceptionally time consuming, but once it's together and done, it looks amazing.

More machine guns... this time the hull 30.cal:

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Top is what you get in the kit (with a bit of sprue attached! ready for the spares bin) and bottom is where I fitted a replacement brass barrel. The biggest PITA here was drilling out the ball joint, and there are some tool marks on it, but you can't see any of that when it's fitted, even from inside. The kit part is perfectly acceptable, but I think the replacement looks just a little better... no?

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There's some weird discolouration on the parts:

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This is one of the fenders both top and bottom sides; this goes right the way through. I don't know if it's some sort of issue where the sprues haven't been allowed to cool correctly before being packed, or if the mould release agent is a bit hot or... whatever, but this discolouration affects a lot of the parts. Hopefully it won't matter when it comes to paint.

So the mislabelled parts and/or wrong instructions still occurs too:

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Again, Y5 is obviously the wrong part.

Then there's this:

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This is the step (Step 9) where you build the sponson covers, fenders and front mudguards. The instructions show that you can build them off the kit and then fit them. This is wrong.
The instructions show in a later step (I think this is Step 12 or 13 and is 3 pages ahead in the instructions) this:

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The hull should go between the sponson cover and the fender. If you build them as per the instructions you'll have to take them apart and start again.

I recommend this approach:

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1. glue in the sponson covers
2. glue on the front mudguard
3. glue on the fenders

The fenders aren't particularly difficult, but you will wish you had 4 arms and hands. Just glue them in bit by bit starting at the front and making sure everything lines up.

And that's where I am with this right now.
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digger303 wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 11:08 am The way those tabs are too short and don't snap tight together makes you wonder do they actually try to build a kit before releasing it OR do they and just shrug there collective shoulders and think they will do better next time ...another kit another day.
Hmmn, with this particular kit, I don't think so. I think they went off the CAD drawings/settings/etc where the computer says 'this will work' when it doesn't. There are a few really annoying issues with the kit and instructions where what's in the CAD doesn't quite match up with the parts and/or how to put it together.
Tomcat64 wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 11:47 am Just caught up with this and a little surprised at RFM's engineering. You're doing a great job knocking it into shape mate but these kind of issues should really have been ironed out in a contemporary kit.

Keep at it though because the end result is going to be superb!
In all honesty, I'm not overly impressed with this kit right now. There are some really fantastic parts to it (like the 50.cal and the track... once you figure out how to put it together) and some really below average parts, mistakes in the instructions etc - especially for a kit designed last year. I'll finish it though; after building all that track there's no way I'm going to shelve it.

And thanks for looking chaps, much appreciated.
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I admire your tenacity in what is basically a voluntary hobby!

I'm firmly on the fence when it comes to indy link tracks. It depends on the vehicle for me, how much of the track is visible and size etc. Doesn't take away anything from the quality of your work though. :clap: :clap:
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Think I'll stick with my Tasca version....thanks for the warning build :thumb1:
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That 50cal is a superb piece of work, and the bow gun definitely looks better with the metal barrel so well worth the effort.

The tonal variation in the plastic reminds me of an old Revell kit I had where all the plastic was striated like that, it didn't cause any problems once it was under primer so hopefully the same will apply for you here.
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Tomcat64 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:10 am That 50cal is a superb piece of work, and the bow gun definitely looks better with the metal barrel so well worth the effort.

The tonal variation in the plastic reminds me of an old Revell kit I had where all the plastic was striated like that, it didn't cause any problems once it was under primer so hopefully the same will apply for you here.
Yep like the look of that 50 cal.... I wonder if their new panzer iv kit will be better ? It looks really good from whats been released news wise so far and with a full interior. I''ll sell a kidney :thumb1:
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:thumb2: Looking sweet and nice work :thumb2:
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digger303 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 1:11 pm
Tomcat64 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:10 am That 50cal is a superb piece of work, and the bow gun definitely looks better with the metal barrel so well worth the effort.

The tonal variation in the plastic reminds me of an old Revell kit I had where all the plastic was striated like that, it didn't cause any problems once it was under primer so hopefully the same will apply for you here.
Yep like the look of that 50 cal.... I wonder if their new panzer iv kit will be better ? It looks really good from whats been released news wise so far and with a full interior. I''ll sell a kidney :thumb1:
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The 50.cal reallly is fantastic. It's one of the best parts of the kit.
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Construction is 85% complete.

Overall progress so far:

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On the turret I replaced the antenna mounts with a couple of brass items I had knocking around in the spares box. You don't have to replace them if you don't want to (or don't have the spares or don't want to buy brass replacements) as the kit antenna mounts are quite acceptable. I only used these because the top ends where the actual antenna's are attched are already drilled out.

Building the moveable suspension

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There's flash on the components as can be seen in the above pic.

Mostly the suspension goes together all OK following the instructions, right up until you get to this stage:

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As you can see it's another one of the 'do not glue' steps, and not using any glue at all doesn't work.

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This is where you have to glue on the cover plate that brings all the components together. You have to use as little glue as possible on the central "I" part, with the small hole at the top and the pin at the bottom. The plate (on the right in the pic) absolutely will not stay in place here without glue. I considered just gluing the whole assembly together, but wanted to see if they would actually move. And they do. But they're not very strong; it's only the plastic pins on that cover plate and the arm across the top of the bogie (these have tiny connections - and are in two parts) that's holding everything together. It looks like the instructions are just missing the single 'glue' arrow.

I would suggest this build order to build the bogies as stress free as possible.

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1. Glue top retaining bar to left/right side bogie and let the glue set. The attachments are seperate pieces in halves; one side is attached to the bar, the other side is a seperate part, and they're handed
2. Glue top retaining bar to "other" side of the bogie and let it set.
3. Check movement: the two main bogie parts should swing free.
4. Insert the rear plate (part B8 in the instructions pic) to B9
4.1 - whilst doing this you'll have to jiggle the springs into place on assembly B9 as they should remain unglued - if you glue them or any stray glue gets on them, the suspension won't move
5. Glue the retaining plate in place (part A30) and set aside to dry.
6. Test for movement.

If you don't set the parts aside to dry, or haven't used the right amount of glue, they'll fall apart.

Moving on you get a choice of sprocket wheels:
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After doing some research, the 'rarest' is the sprocket with the step in the drive ring; this was deleted fairly quickly to ease production. I built the 'inbetween' sprocket.

Rear tray/hull plate.

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The instructions would have you build the rear tray onto the rear hull plate in stages - which is what I did at first. And had nothing but trouble.

The vertical and horizontal plate of the rear tray are fixed together at the three hinge attachment points, which is accurate, but creates a miniscule and weak joint. Attaching the vertical rear tray piece to the hull first (as in the instructions) makes attaching the horizontal plate exceptionally difficult, as to get the best joint the glue should go on from underneath.

In the pic you can see a couple of the glue splatters that I managed to get by trying to build the tray on the rear hull plate in this way :eeek: some sanding and Surfacer 500 took care of these.

I would strongly suggest that you build the whole tray assembly off the vehicle and attach it when it's done. I ended up removing the vertical part of the tray from the rear hull plate and did just this. The PE hinges on either end don't have any markings on them to determine where they should be glued together to get the correct length so that both ends meet up with their attachment points on the tray. Some careful measurement is required.

Tow cable

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You get the obligatory piece of string and a couple of plastic eyes to make up the tow cable.
The plastic eyes are moulded completely solid, and the instructions just show the string being butted up against the moulded flat end of towing eye and glued (they don't even mention superglue or drilling out the towing eyes with an Xmm drill bit as they have done in other sections of the instructions), so IMHO this is never going to work.

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You can drill out the end of the towing eye. The part is so small that I could't reason that a hole small enough to fit in the towing eye but big enough to fit the piece of string supplied could be made, and it doesn't. The max size hole that the towing eye will take is about 0.5mm. The string is far bigger than that and won't fit in that size hole. This whole thing should probably be replaced by something better...

The lower hull is a flat pack assembly and goes together pretty well. However there's nothing to support the hull sides apart from the attachment points along the edge of the hull floor - Tamiya (etc) would have probably supplied a brace in the form of an engine compartment firewall (etc) for this. RFM don't and you'll need a square to make sure that the hull is... well, square, as it's easy to have the side pieces at an angle. Gluing in the rear plate first doesn't help either, as the glue point on the plate is on a slight angle, and you'll need both lower hull sides in place to get that angle right or you risk not having the lower hull sides meet up with the rear plate.

The upper/lower hull all goes together pretty well after that, but I would strongly suggest that you leave off part "E5" until you've joined the upper and lower hull. "E5" is the row of bolts that goes across the front of the hull between the main superstructure and the transmission cover. Try and fit the hull together with this part attached and you'll have a really bad time.

The turret and gun assembly also seems to be too heavy for it to sit correctly in the turret race.

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The pics don't show this very well, but with the turret race in and the turret fitted, there's some distinct slop that allows the turret to sit at an angle. Naturally it falls forward because of the gun, but if you apply even the gentlest of pressure to the rear of the turret, it'll tilt backwards. From what I can see I think it should probably sit somewhere in between. I think that this is due to the two tiny clips that hold the turret in place.

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They don't seem up to the job at all, and if you turn the model over with the turret in place, it'll fall out.

I'm leaving the wheels on the sprues until I've primed them black and done a first coat of dark OD. You can see the inside faces of most of the wheels, especially the idlers, when they're together, so this is purely for my convenience and not a fault of the kit.

Usually, at the end of every build I do, and when it's painted and completely finished, I ask myself one question to gauge the quality of the kit, and that question is: would I buy and build another one?
I already know the answer to this.
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So I've been sick recently (not with cough19 - just the flu/something like that - took ages to shift it though) and as such haven't done much to this recently, but have gotten some paint down:

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Stars are painted/masks.
I've progressed a bit further than what these pics show; wheels and tracks are on, some mud here and there, and a registration on both sides of the hull from the spares box.

I'll do a "proper" update later when it's nearly complete/complete-ish.
I'm doing a crew figure for this too, but he hasn't progressed much further than being built and a single base coat of colour.
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digger303 wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 11:08 am The way those tabs are too short and don't snap tight together makes you wonder do they actually try to build a kit before releasing it OR do they and just shrug there collective shoulders and think they will do better next time ...another kit another day.
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Detail looks great especially like the mantlet cover it's very well done.
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I'm glad you're feeling better!

It's coming along nicely!
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Post by Tomcat64 »

I missed the last couple of updates (sorry!) and like the other guys have said I hope you're feeling much better now.

With the slope on the turret when it's installed in the race does it always sag forwards regardless of which way the turret is pointing? If it does then maybe try and put some kind of counterweight inside the rear of the turret to balance it out if you can?

Otherwise it looks great - especially with the paint & markings in place :cheers2:
Cheers, Neil

On the Bench:
Revell 1/72 Millennium Falcon
Tamiya 1/48 P-38F/G
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