Vincent Black Shadow Revell 1/12

[Twokidsnosleep]

I think I am going to putter away on this one for a bit as it seems to have my imagination
I am going to try and change the thick plastic wheel spokes to metal ones.


I spent Sunday afternoon after chores making a wheel jig





It can be tightened up to hold the wheel hub tight in place

Next chrome will be removed and then the spokes too

[Bdiddy]

Nice choice for the next build Scotty, looking forward to the progress posts!

[Twokidsnosleep]

Got the chrome off in 30 second, like literally 30 seconds in the oven cleaner



Then laid out the holes in pen...bit confusing trying to see the pattern

[Gary30]

Different, I like different.

[digger303]

Got the chrome off in 30 second, like literally 30 seconds in the oven cleaner



Then laid out the holes in pen...bit confusing trying to see the pattern

Going to take a slash at redoing all the spokes and making a proper double row and in scale ?

[Bdiddy]

Got the chrome off in 30 second, like literally 30 seconds in the oven cleaner



Then laid out the holes in pen...bit confusing trying to see the pattern

I used easy off to strip chrome on the Miura build, couldn't believe how quickly the stuff works

[Panzón]

Then laid out the holes in pen...bit confusing trying to see the pattern

Been studying your photo, and I'm still confused! It'll be interesting to see how this is done. That's a good-looking bike.

[Twokidsnosleep]

Thank you everyone for the interest
Did some reading and looked at some posts of MFH instructions for spoke lacing. You can see the over-under alternating spokes drawn light-dark


I printed my wheel photo out, numbered the spokes from the rim side and then numbered the hub where they came in.
I discovered the alternating odd-even pattern develop and labelled the odd numbered spokes and the red dot they insert into



Now I have the pattern makes sense in my head

[Panzón]

I printed my wheel photo out, numbered the spokes from the rim side and then numbered the hub where they came in.
I discovered the alternating odd-even pattern develop and labelled the odd numbered spokes and the red dot they insert into

Thanks for posting that. Now I can see the pattern.

[jchrisf]

Cool Scott... I've seen Plasmo do something like this with the wheels on YT.

[Twokidsnosleep]

I printed my wheel photo out, numbered the spokes from the rim side and then numbered the hub where they came in.
I discovered the alternating odd-even pattern develop and labelled the odd numbered spokes and the red dot they insert into

Thanks for posting that. Now I can see the pattern.

Oh you were not the only one
I was scratching my head and then when I did just the odd numbers of spokes the pattern jumped out at me.
The MFH instruction sheet helped as well to see that the spokes alternate from top to bottom of the hub

[Twokidsnosleep]

Cool Scott... I've seen Plasmo do something like this with the wheels on YT.

Yes I watched his video on it
He used a fishing line and threaded to posts, cemented everything and cut the threads.

Tom Grigot build the same kit as me and I am following more of what he did

[digger303]

Cool Scott... I've seen Plasmo do something like this with the wheels on YT.

Yes I watched his video on it
He used a fishing line and threaded to posts, cemented everything and cut the threads.

Tom Grigot build the same kit as me and I am following more of what he did

I like the metal rod approach, way less messy. Albion alloys do a slide fit brass tube 0.3, 0.5, 0.7mm which your most likely already aware of. Should replicated the spoke tensioners well enough.

[Twokidsnosleep]

Cool Scott... I've seen Plasmo do something like this with the wheels on YT.

Yes I watched his video on it
He used a fishing line and threaded to posts, cemented everything and cut the threads.

Tom Grigot build the same kit as me and I am following more of what he did

I like the metal rod approach, way less messy. Albion alloys do a slide fit brass tube 0.3, 0.5, 0.7mm which your most likely already aware of. Should replicated the spoke tensioners well enough.

I have a fine metal rod but it is just a tad small
The test spoke I have is a brass wire that is perfect, BUT you have to pull it taught to be perfectly straight.
I risk having small bends if I use it. Still exploring my options
Waiting also on a micro-vise I got from Uschi Vander groot in Germany...that looks cool

[Panzón]

I have a fine metal rod but it is just a tad small
The test spoke I have is a brass wire that is perfect, BUT you have to pull it taught to be perfectly straight.
I risk having small bends if I use it. Still exploring my options

A technique I've used to straighten and slightly harden wire to make it stay straight is to cut a length of wire maybe 2 or 3 feet long, clamp one end in a vise, and grab the other end with pliers, and give it a strong, steady pull. I've usually been able to feel a slight give in the wire that lets me know the wire has stretched enough to remove any bends, and slightly harden the wire. Then you cut the wire into appropriate lengths for the wheel.

[Twokidsnosleep]

After work I made ten spokes from the 48 G copper wire.
Heat annealed and quenched one to see what it did...meh it was softer and floppy




After dinner, chores and puppy walk, got three spokes #’ers 1,3 and 5 cut fit and drilled. I have not glued anything yet.


I am thinking I will completely remove the center hub from the plastic spokes so I can turn the hub and sand it smooth
I have enough reference points and the opposite side’s spokes as help if I get lost
Pretty happy with this start, going to look cool when done

[digger303]

I have a fine metal rod but it is just a tad small
The test spoke I have is a brass wire that is perfect, BUT you have to pull it taught to be perfectly straight.
I risk having small bends if I use it. Still exploring my options
Waiting also on a micro-vise I got from Uschi Vander groot in Germany...that looks cool

Not sure what size you intend using. I seem to be inundated with 0.3 brass and very bendy, but the 0.5 and 0.7mm seem to be stiff enough.

The Jigster is a expensive little blighter but will never let you down. Those pens are interesting as well.
I bought a tank transporter from them and it arrived water soaked. They sent me a new decal set plus some other diorama stuff like grass mats and the flocking type as a apology. Yet it wasn't there fault it was the freight companies stuff up. I was very impressed with them.


EDIT... Your already ahead of me as I was posting.....looking great.

[Twokidsnosleep]

I have a fine metal rod but it is just a tad small
The test spoke I have is a brass wire that is perfect, BUT you have to pull it taught to be perfectly straight.
I risk having small bends if I use it. Still exploring my options

A technique I've used to straighten and slightly harden wire to make it stay straight is to cut a length of wire maybe 2 or 3 feet long, clamp one end in a vise, and grab the other end with pliers, and give it a strong, steady pull. I've usually been able to feel a slight give in the wire that lets me know the wire has stretched enough to remove any bends, and slightly harden the wire. Then you cut the wire into appropriate lengths for the wheel.

I did something like that to the ten I made with my pliers and then I squished the wire in the little vice shown to get everything square.
Reinforced the notion that heat annealing softens metal...yep it got more bendy with heat
I will try you way too

[Kevthemodeller]

Looking good Scott, these wheels will look a treat once you're done

[Bdiddy]

so much for having a rest from building mate ahaha its coming along nicely

[Twokidsnosleep]

so much for having a rest from building mate ahaha its coming along nicely

Just need the right motivation
Not sure why the Hornithopter doesn’t do that

[bfrd]

That is looking very skookum.

[Twokidsnosleep]

That is looking very skookum.

Thanks
Too bad I have to work for a living and can't spend the time modelling when the urge hits me

[DBMiller]

I don't think modern bikes have anything on these babies.

[Twokidsnosleep]

I don't think modern bikes have anything on these babies.

I agree
The kit absolutely leapt into my arms at the LHS

[jchrisf]

I don't think modern bikes have anything on these babies.

I agree
The kit absolutely leapt into my arms at the LHS

[Twokidsnosleep]

I don't think modern bikes have anything on these babies.

I agree
The kit absolutely leapt into my arms at the LHS

Oi that creeps me out too
Man snakes

[jchrisf]

I agree
The kit absolutely leapt into my arms at the LHS

Oi that creeps me out too
Man snakes

LOL.. one of the funniest things I've ever seen

[Bdiddy]

so much for having a rest from building mate ahaha its coming along nicely

Just need the right motivation
Not sure why the Hornithopter doesn’t do that

haha I know the feeling mate, there's some builds that you just want to hurry up & finish as you almost dread working on it

[Twokidsnosleep]

Another night's after chores work



The inside of the rim and hub


The ‘show side’ of the rim

[BigWall]

Very nice. This is going to look sweet!

[Twokidsnosleep]

Very nice. This is going to look sweet!

Thanks man, I hope so

[Twokidsnosleep]

One side of the rear rim is complete now



This is the brass for the spokes; I switched down a size of brass from the spool stuff to allow better access of all spokes to the crowded hub holes.

[Kevthemodeller]

Lovely work on the wheels Scott, they're going to look a treat once you've finished mate

[Bdiddy]

Great job Scotty, came out a treat

[bfrd]

Really looking good! Most impressive.

P.S. Anybody that didn't *read* "Most impressive" as Darth Vadar, consider yourself a chump.

[Panzón]

Beautiful work! Huge improvement in appearance over molded spokes.

[Twokidsnosleep]

Thanks guys

It is tedious work but actually a bit fun
Will be interesting doing the other side as it has three air valves on it and then fitting the halves together
The rear tire is a solid block, hard as a rock, so the halves will have to be cemented from opposite sides into this tire
The front tire is flexible rubber :scratch:
Ahh REVELL
I have an feeling I am going to be making many parts for this bike

[LWWales]

How come I missed this! Nice bike that, can't wait to see what you do with it. Excellent start!

They were singing your praises on the live show last night, too!

[jchrisf]

They were singing your praises on the live show last night, too!

[Twokidsnosleep]

How come I missed this! Nice bike that, can't wait to see what you do with it. Excellent start!

They were singing your praises on the live show last night, too!

Ha ha thanks
I had to loop back and watch the rest of the show
Ironically, I was getting new tires put on my summer rims

[Twokidsnosleep]

So the rear wheel both sides and three air valves are done...but not together

A little jeweller’s threading plate to help make the valve stems




This is what they are supposed to be


This is posed over the rear tire


More

[Twokidsnosleep]

Now to keep us all humble , this is Alexander WenceDe Leon’s completely scratch built Harley Davidson plank racer.
Just phenomenal work




Everything scratch built, right down to the canine

[BigWall]

Absolutely fabulous! Do you have any idea why 3 valve stems? Balance?

[Twokidsnosleep]

Absolutely fabulous! Do you have any idea why 3 valve stems? Balance?

No clue at all actually...will have to look it up

[digger303]

Absolutely fabulous! Do you have any idea why 3 valve stems? Balance?

I am so glad you asked that.....I intended to. Was a bit worried to be the only one out of the loop....
Never in my life have I seen a tyre with more than one.

[Hawkmoon]

Nice work on the wheel spokes and brings to attention how out of scale injection plastic ones are and get diggin on the valves because I would like too know too.

[Twokidsnosleep]

No joy on the three valves yet

[Panzón]

The finished wheel looks great!! Well worth the effort you put into it.

[jchrisf]

Great job! You have a lot more patience and skill than I