Vincent Black Shadow Revell 1/12

Post by **digger303** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:24 pm

Let me chuck this into the ring concerning the 3 air valves. Sounds a bit silly having 3, could it be that these were in fact one air valve and 2 rim locks which were there to stop the tyre turning on the rim.

BigWall · Post by **BigWall** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:23 pm

digger303 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:47 am
BigWall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:33 am Absolutely fabulous! Do you have any idea why 3 valve stems? Balance?
I am so glad you asked that.....I intended to. Was a bit worried to be the only one out of the loop....
Never in my life have I seen a tyre with more than one.

I've seen multiple valves in the off roading world where one is used as normal and the second has a larger bore to facilitate airing down faster. Nice idea but rather pointless overall. This obviously doesn't apply in this case. My google-fu is lacking so I haven't found anything online so far. Being as this was the first super bike, I can see them trying new ideas that didn't amount to anything.

BigWall · Post by **BigWall** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:26 pm

digger303 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:24 pm Let me chuck this into the ring concerning the 3 air valves. Sounds a bit silly having 3, could it be that these were in fact one air valve and 2 rim locks which were there to stop the tyre turning on the rim.

Not a bad theory. Some type of bead lock.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:20 pm

I have posed the question to some motorcycle experts, we shall see what we come up with

EDIT: my English source says one air valve and two security clamps to keep the tyre from moving
Revell moulded everything to look the same

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:22 pm

So I ground out the rear tire rubber on my drill press sanding drum
Got it so the both sides snap in, just have to mess with the internal rim edges to let both sides of the rims sit flat
I hate when the nipples poke out and don’t let things sit flat; Hold up a minute, I really like it when the nipples poke out.....

BigWall · Post by **BigWall** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:28 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:20 pm I have posed the question to some motorcycle experts, we shall see what we come up with

EDIT: my English source says one air valve and two security clamps to keep the tyre from moving
Revell moulded everything to look the same

Mystery solved! Great guess Digger.

Nice ... err ... nipple work? Such an improvement over the kit piece.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:31 pm

BigWall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:28 pm
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:20 pm I have posed the question to some motorcycle experts, we shall see what we come up with

EDIT: my English source says one air valve and two security clamps to keep the tyre from moving
Revell moulded everything to look the same
Mystery solved! Great guess Digger.

Nice ... err ... nipple work? Such an improvement over the kit piece.

DIgger nailed it

Spoke nipple
It just doesn’t sound right, right?
I think I will call them spoke supporters so I don’t turn all 15 again

LWWales · Post by **LWWales** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:40 pm

Love this! That wheel is going to look a bazillion times better than the kit part!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:43 pm

LWWales wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:40 pm Love this! That wheel is going to look a bazillion times better than the kit part!

I hope so, they do look pretty cool
Thanks for looking

Now starting the front wheel, I am being more careful to keep the hub square...I found the rear one is just a smidgen out of true and a bit wobbly
So I did an opposing side spoke #19 and didn't remove the hub completely to keep everything centered
Last time I cut off all the spokes, spun the hub and sanded it all smooth which was great but I don't think I got it exactly back into the middle

Maybe a modification to my jig to force the hub to be centered would be smart

jchrisf · Post by **jchrisf** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:55 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:31 pm
BigWall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:28 pm
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:20 pm I have posed the question to some motorcycle experts, we shall see what we come up with

EDIT: my English source says one air valve and two security clamps to keep the tyre from moving
Revell moulded everything to look the same
Mystery solved! Great guess Digger.

Nice ... err ... nipple work? Such an improvement over the kit piece.
DIgger nailed it
Spoke nipple
It just doesn’t sound right, right?
I think I will call them spoke supporters so I don’t turn all 15 again

Yes nipple it is.. I have built mountain bike wheels in the past and the nipple of course is what tightens or loosens the spoke tension to keep the wheel round and centered. Be glad you don't have to worry about that! .. or do you

Looking great Scott! Very realistic!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:01 pm

jchrisf wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:55 pm
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:31 pm
BigWall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:28 pm

Mystery solved! Great guess Digger.

Nice ... err ... nipple work? Such an improvement over the kit piece.
DIgger nailed it
Spoke nipple
It just doesn’t sound right, right?
I think I will call them spoke supporters so I don’t turn all 15 again
Yes nipple it is.. I have built mountain bike wheels in the past and the nipple of course is what tightens or loosens the spoke tension to keep the wheel round and centered. Be glad you don't have to worry about that! .. or do you

Looking great Scott! Very realistic!

My nipples are crazy glued on

...oh that sounds just so wrong

jchrisf · Post by **jchrisf** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:35 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:01 pm
My nipples are crazy glued on

...oh that sounds just so wrong

Post by **digger303** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:48 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:43 pm
LWWales wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:40 pm Love this! That wheel is going to look a bazillion times better than the kit part!
I hope so, they do look pretty cool
Thanks for looking

Now starting the front wheel, I am being more careful to keep the hub square...I found the rear one is just a smidgen out of true and a bit wobbly
So I did an opposing side spoke #19 and didn't remove the hub completely to keep everything centered
Last time I cut off all the spokes, spun the hub and sanded it all smooth which was great but I don't think I got it exactly back into the middle
Maybe a modification to my jig to force the hub to be centered would be smart

It's a good jig, all you have to do is fence the rim in with 5 or 6 pins/nails so you have a automatic centre then chop out your spokes. Rim can be removed then replaced.

Ps....your good at this maybe we can all send our rims to you on a contract basis

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:26 am

digger303 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:48 am
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:43 pm
LWWales wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:40 pm Love this! That wheel is going to look a bazillion times better than the kit part!
I hope so, they do look pretty cool
Thanks for looking

Now starting the front wheel, I am being more careful to keep the hub square...I found the rear one is just a smidgen out of true and a bit wobbly
So I did an opposing side spoke #19 and didn't remove the hub completely to keep everything centered
Last time I cut off all the spokes, spun the hub and sanded it all smooth which was great but I don't think I got it exactly back into the middle
Maybe a modification to my jig to force the hub to be centered would be smart

It's a good jig, all you have to do is fence the rim in with 5 or 6 pins/nails so you have a automatic centre then chop out your spokes. Rim can be removed then replaced.

Ps....your good at this maybe we can all send our rims to you on a contract basis

Interesting thoughts
In the next iteration of this jig, I forsee a centre hub seating position and a rim seating position.
I would also make the hub myself and probably the rim too so I can have nice smooth internal surfaces with no gaps. Or at least have the halves cemented and drilled and internally sanded smooth first.
This set of wheels is going to have a center rim seam that will be hard to deal with

@digger303 is a great guy to bounce off any mechanical issues and such
You have a lot of good problem solving skills in that Aussie noggin; helped me fix my drill press

Hawkmoon · Post by **Hawkmoon** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:33 am

All looking good Scott and nice work

Post by **digger303** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:17 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:26 am
digger303 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:48 am
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:43 pm

I hope so, they do look pretty cool
Thanks for looking

Now starting the front wheel, I am being more careful to keep the hub square...I found the rear one is just a smidgen out of true and a bit wobbly
So I did an opposing side spoke #19 and didn't remove the hub completely to keep everything centered
Last time I cut off all the spokes, spun the hub and sanded it all smooth which was great but I don't think I got it exactly back into the middle
Maybe a modification to my jig to force the hub to be centered would be smart

It's a good jig, all you have to do is fence the rim in with 5 or 6 pins/nails so you have a automatic centre then chop out your spokes. Rim can be removed then replaced.

Ps....your good at this maybe we can all send our rims to you on a contract basis
Interesting thoughts
In the next iteration of this jig, I forsee a centre hub seating position and a rim seating position.
I would also make the hub myself and probably the rim too so I can have nice smooth internal surfaces with no gaps. Or at least have the halves cemented and drilled and internally sanded smooth first.
This set of wheels is going to have a center rim seam that will be hard to deal with

@digger303 is a great guy to bounce off any mechanical issues and such
You have a lot of good problem solving skills in that Aussie noggin; helped me fix my drill press

Too kind Scott by half my good man. What I want to know is how did you get a perfectly square centre cut to cut the rim exactly in the middle.

I was thinking it could be done with the wheel rotating and cutting with some sort of thread.

edit.... since been informed the wheel rim comes in the kit as 2 parts to begin with...so makes my question quite redundant.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm

Hawkmoon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:33 am All looking good Scott and nice work

Cheers Hawk

glad you are feeling better

Bdiddy · Post by **Bdiddy** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:09 am

IT'S LOOKING

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:13 pm

Getting close to front wheel finish. I have been plodding away at this after work for a bit every night
Friday night I made all the 3mm spoke supports

that are the hardest part as they go flinging around when cut through and you have to hands and knees it under the desk or start another.
So a nice quiet Saturday morning I spoked all that was left. Now just the air valve and locks

I have a few older Pocher kits that have wire laced wheels. I am a bit less intimidated by them now.

Hawkmoon · Post by **Hawkmoon** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:26 pm

Thats the best way to get it out of your system by practicing on something less formidable and gets the mojo back near 100% too . Nice work on the wheels and they look sweet to me

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:40 pm

Hawkmoon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:26 pm Thats the best way to get it out of your system by practicing on something less formidable and gets the mojo back near 100% too . Nice work on the wheels and they look sweet to me

Yes it totally has my building mojo back

BigWall · Post by **BigWall** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:11 pm

That's got to be some tedious work. Great job!

LWWales · Post by **LWWales** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:35 pm

You be done an excellent job of those weeks mate, for bloody play!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:39 pm

Guys

I have a feeling I am going to be making or modifying many parts
But that us fun too
I may park this for a bit and loop back into the Sci Fi and other stalled builds

Panzón · Post by **Panzón** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:36 pm

The wheels look great!!

jchrisf · Post by **jchrisf** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:56 pm

Very creative.. this looks 1000 times better

RangerNeil · Post by **RangerNeil** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:46 pm

That is a TRULY impressive bit of model engineering!! If you ever get bored with the day job I am told there is an ever growing shortage of crafts men (spokesmen??

) - to do the real thing on both sides of the big pond - you could consider that as a career change....

Post by **digger303** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:59 am

Excellent result on the wheels...

You were a bit worried about cementing the 2 halves together and the possible clean up working around all those spokes. In the end was it a non issue ? From the pic view I can't see any evidence of a join.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:59 am

digger303 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:59 am Excellent result on the wheels...

You were a bit worried about cementing the 2 halves together and the possible clean up working around all those spokes. In the end was it a non issue ? From the pic view I can't see any evidence of a join.

Ha, I just snapped them in and haven’t even worked in the seams yet
I also drilled out the rear hub to a bigger diameter and compensated for the off centered location with larger hole and a brass tube insert. Now the wheel spins nicely on my moto jig.
I was super careful with the front rims and kept that center hub dead in the middle

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:00 am

RangerNeil wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:46 pm That is a TRULY impressive bit of model engineering!! If you ever get bored with the day job I am told there is an ever growing shortage of crafts men (spokesmen?? ) - to do the real thing on both sides of the big pond - you could consider that as a career change....

Don’t ask what my hourly rate would be

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:01 am

Bdiddy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:09 am
IT'S LOOKING

Ha ha, It didn’t play that entire scene at first, just saw the whole meme

+10 points Australia

Bdiddy · Post by **Bdiddy** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:10 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:01 am
Bdiddy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:09 am
IT'S LOOKING

Ha ha, It didn’t play that entire scene at first, just saw the whole meme
+10 points Australia

Ahahaha I thought you’d like it

Post by **digger303** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:09 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:59 am
digger303 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:59 am Excellent result on the wheels...

You were a bit worried about cementing the 2 halves together and the possible clean up working around all those spokes. In the end was it a non issue ? From the pic view I can't see any evidence of a join.

Ha, I just snapped them in and haven’t even worked in the seams yet
I also drilled out the rear hub to a bigger diameter and compensated for the off centered location with larger hole and a brass tube insert. Now the wheel spins nicely on my moto jig.
I was super careful with the front rims and kept that center hub dead in the middle

Well done

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:33 am

So I have fully finished the wheel spoking and have tucked everything back safe and sound into the box
This part of the build is done and I am going to move back to other stuff
Maybe

Kevthemodeller · Post by **Kevthemodeller** » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:29 pm

Just loving them spokes Scott

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:01 pm

Kevthemodeller wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:29 pm Just loving them spokes Scott

Kev

BigWall · Post by **BigWall** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:39 am

What a tease!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:05 am

BigWall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:39 am What a tease!

I gotta do some other stuff...this was just my mojo fire up!!!
Harder to model in the summer...nice hot weather, outside activities lazy dog days of summer

Hawkmoon · Post by **Hawkmoon** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:43 am

You just let Pandora out the box M8 and theres no way she hopping back into her old life

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:33 pm

I've only just seen this thread after seeing your post in the Friday night section. At first glance I thought, 'they look nice, good to see a kit with quality detail', it was only after that I realised it was scratch built.

Absolutely stunning work. This goes beyond modelling, its engineering!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:15 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:33 pm I've only just seen this thread after seeing your post in the Friday night section. At first glance I thought, 'they look nice, good to see a kit with quality detail', it was only after that I realised it was scratch built.

Absolutely stunning work. This goes beyond modelling, its engineering!

Cheers David

Kind words

BOABModels · Post by **BOABModels** » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:22 pm

jchrisf wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:23 pm Cool Scott... I've seen Plasmo do something like this with the wheels on YT.

I've seen that video too. I'm considering doing the same for an old Alfa f1 car, but only when I'm feeling brave!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:03 pm

Hawkmoon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:43 am You just let Pandora out the box M8 and theres no way she hopping back into her old life

Truth to that statement
Now I start looking at ALL the wire wheels I could re-spoke

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:53 pm

I call this build Fifty Shades of Black
We are back this summer to build up this motorcycle

Post by **digger303** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:01 am

Have fun trying out the new bike stand (jig).

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:24 am

digger303 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:01 am Have fun trying out the new bike stand (jig).

Indeed
I got the rear end together and on the jig, but the front frame and forks involve Revell chrome and I usually strip that

Some pretty poor location points and horrid instructions. either show me exactly where the part goes with a before and an after photo of part installed. Doing neither is of no use. Lots of forward jumping trying to figure this complicated bike out

In other good news, it looks like we will be adopting 2+1/2 year old Piper into the family soon

Post by **digger303** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:43 am

Ah good news with a new four footed friend.

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:21 am

Great to see the build up and running. When I got a notification for this I thought, what is this? I dont remember this. Then I saw the delay since the last post. Well worth the wait me thinks.

Looks like you're off to a cracking start with the engine and frame mate.

Really nice news about the pooch too

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:17 am

Good to see your Vincent back on the bench scott

wheels look excellent

Its an unusual frame with no downtube

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:18 am

"In other good news, it looks like we will be adopting 2+1/2 year old Piper into the family soon"

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That's great news