Vincent Black Shadow Revell 1/12

kpisnuts · Post by **kpisnuts** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:42 am

Looking good, and you've got to love a 4 footed friend.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:45 am

Bonhams have been having a summer sale
The International Classic Motorcycle Show (Three-Day Auction)
we are on the last day and there are a few Vincent's coming through, be interesting to see what they fetch. I have been following the auction on Invaluble.com as its a place where I sometimes buy vintage toys but its best viewed on the Bonhams web site. Some of the early triumphs and BSA bikes went very cheap

lots of bargains to be had if you have some cash to invest.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26514/
due to start 10am uk time
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26514/live/

Kevthemodeller · Post by **Kevthemodeller** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 11:06 am

Good to see this back on the bench Scott

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:08 pm

Casper wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:17 am Good to see your Vincent back on the bench scott wheels look excellent
Its an unusual frame with no downtube

Yep a bit of a weird frame indeed

There is no front down tube and the frame attaches in to the engine heads

But I made some progress late last night on the front forks

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:56 pm

Thanks for the comments guys
I got to here last night
Front and rear are loose resting while the jig supports everything

And then the front fork painted

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:02 am

FFS

I manage to bump the build and break off the front forks

Turns out it was a good thing as when I was re-checking alignment, the handlebars would not have seated.
So I suppose it was a necessary accident

Back together, but I have messed up a nice smooth gloss black frame and Molotow chrome bolts with finger prints

Post by **Stokesy44** » Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:35 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:02 am FFS

I manage to bump the build and break off the front forks
Turns out it was a good thing as when I was re-checking alignment, the handlebars would not have seated.
So I suppose it was a necessary accident

Back together, but I have messed up a nice smooth gloss black frame and Molotow chrome bolts with finger prints

Trouble never lacks company! Get one thing fixed and find another problem!

I like the necessary accident idea too. Kind of like saying we never retreat, we simply advance in another direction.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:42 pm

Exactly David, well put
Ok I think I have her sorted back together and some paint refinishing done for black and chrome
I also drilled out the rear suspension pivot as Casper had said
So there are three brass rod support points now

This gets the bike more stable into the jig and shows me I have a bit of a waggle to deal with to get things aligned better
Funny today as during some research I hopped on this page and a gent had the same handle bar location issues and he cut off supports just like I did. Sympathy in numbers? At least I am not crazy and saw the same problem

http://www.modelersite.com/Jun2002/Engl ... ow_Eng.htm

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:14 am

Got the front forks assembly glued up to the rear via the engine cylinder heads yep,that is how it works

I studied photos and got the high tension leads, spark plugs and their connectors made. Little brass spark plugs painted grey with connectors made. The wires loop forward to the magneto just behind the front tire (a cover goes over)
The fuel lines and carbs are even more complicated

kpisnuts · Post by **kpisnuts** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:29 am

The only critique I can give is, it's blooming lovely.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:49 pm

coming along great scott

you wouldn't want to crash into anything on one of these bikes

bolted to the cylinder head

what a crazy design

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:17 pm

kpisnuts wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:29 am The only critique I can give is, it's blooming lovely.

Cheers

I could have done without muffing it up the first go, but things happen for a reason

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:24 pm

Casper wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:49 pm coming along great scott
you wouldn't want to crash into anything on one of these bikes bolted to the cylinder head what a crazy design

Quite a design and the engine is supposedly an absolute beast that runs and runs
Would never have thought of bolting frame to the cylinder heads, but hey it works. Learn something every day

Having a bit more fun with her now that I can have her in the jig better with the frame glued up
Today I will lock her in more securely than my temporary brass rods
The tilting feature is really helpful; I would have to jack up the other jig to angle it…this one just tilt the table

Liking her so far

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:53 pm

Ok decal time.
Certainly not decals for the faint of heart

The yellow is the old glue and it does not want to let go. I was lucky to get this off in one piece
I left it in the hot water for a long time and added Ultimate decal solutions. Finally I could bend the paper and tease the decal off.

Now Revell made no mention of the decal to go on to here until the very end of the instructions. Weird as you HAVE to put this on the frame before the headlight and other stuff get in the way. Lucky I was looking so far ahead and caught that

This bike has a lovely aesthetic, just gorgeous really

Post by **Stokesy44** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:26 pm

Beautiful detail mate.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:55 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:26 pm Beautiful detail mate.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:35 pm

Bopping away at this. Got the tank glued and puttied the seams…it is four separate parts !!!
This would look cool as a bobber rat kinda cafe racer bike too

Here I put the handlebars on to show how the fork attatchment had to be moved to allow the handle bar sit infront of the chrome knob

BigWall · Post by **BigWall** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:24 am

Very nice build Scott. It's looking great!

I agree, it has such an elegant shape....right up until they threw in the towel designing the seat. Still a beautiful bike though!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:39 am

BigWall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:24 am Very nice build Scott. It's looking great!

I agree, it has such an elegant shape....right up until they threw in the towel designing the seat. Still a beautiful bike though!

.

Ya I had a peek at that…kinda big azz seat
I would really love to go off on a tangent and make it a complete custom beast…just not sure

Post by **digger303** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:28 am

Love those decals real ole timey. Great building skills too.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:56 am

digger303 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:28 am Love those decals real ole timey. Great building skills too.

Back
Little bit of butt puckering doing that decal

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:56 am

Now would I be so bold as to…….

Or maybe

Post by **digger303** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:11 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:56 am Now would I be so bold as to…….

Or maybe

My personal preference is the second one with the black, chrome and aluminum look. Not because it's the greatest colour scheme, but because the the first one is so much chrome and shine it takes away from the details. If that makes any sense however it's your kit and you have to please yourself mostly.
Perhaps if the first one had some black chrome it might change my mind a lot.
decisions decisions

Kevthemodeller · Post by **Kevthemodeller** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:43 am

Looking good Scott, love them decals engine fins look great too

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:14 am

Looking good scott
those Decals are teeny weeny
Second bobber looks really cool

kpisnuts · Post by **kpisnuts** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:30 am

She looks magnificent

BigWall · Post by **BigWall** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:29 am

I HATE chrome but that first picture is the shizzle!

Unfortunately, I think you would lose detail either with all the chrome or the black.

I think you're right Digger, some black chrome would set it off.

The chrome pipes really stand out nicely.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:39 am

Ya guys I think it needs to be a modified cafe racer.
I agree with not too much chrome. Black, gold and silver/chrome more like the second picture
Bend the handlebars, alter the exhaust, clip the fenders
I have to figure out a seat…hey I know a guy who just made a leather Harley seat on his kit

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:41 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:39 am Ya guys I think it needs to be a modified cafe racer.
I agree with not too much chrome. Black, gold and silver/chrome more like the second picture
Bend the handlebars, alter the exhaust, clip the fenders
I have to figure out a seat…hey I know a guy who just made a leather Harley seat on his kit

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:43 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:39 am Ya guys I think it needs to be a modified cafe racer.
I agree with not too much chrome. Black, gold and silver/chrome more like the second picture
Bend the handlebars, alter the exhaust, clip the fenders
I have to figure out a seat…hey I know a guy who just made a leather Harley seat on his kit

sorry

forgot to add a reply to the last post

Nice black leather bobber seat, diamond embossed ....

I like the straight bars on the second bike

and the two rear springs look much better than the original dampeners. The wrapped exhaust pipes look

I'm hoping to do mine like that with some medical tape if I can find it

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:51 pm

Casper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:43 am
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:39 am Ya guys I think it needs to be a modified cafe racer.
I agree with not too much chrome. Black, gold and silver/chrome more like the second picture
Bend the handlebars, alter the exhaust, clip the fenders
I have to figure out a seat…hey I know a guy who just made a leather Harley seat on his kit
sorry forgot to add a reply to the last post

Nice black leather bobber seat, diamond embossed ....
I like the straight bars on the second bike and the two rear springs look much better than the original dampeners. The wrapped exhaust pipes look I'm hoping to do mine like that with some medical tape if I can find it

I have a fine black pig skin that would work for a seat
Not sure about doing diamond embossing at 1/12 scale....when I can't do it at 1:1 scale

Post by **digger303** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:48 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:51 pm
Casper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:43 am
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:39 am Ya guys I think it needs to be a modified cafe racer.
I agree with not too much chrome. Black, gold and silver/chrome more like the second picture
Bend the handlebars, alter the exhaust, clip the fenders
I have to figure out a seat…hey I know a guy who just made a leather Harley seat on his kit
sorry forgot to add a reply to the last post

Nice black leather bobber seat, diamond embossed ....
I like the straight bars on the second bike and the two rear springs look much better than the original dampeners. The wrapped exhaust pipes look I'm hoping to do mine like that with some medical tape if I can find it
I have a fine black pig skin that would work for a seat
Not sure about doing diamond embossing at 1/12 scale....when I can't do it at 1:1 scale

Only have to emboss the lines so a diamond results......I have faith in you.

Post by **Stokesy44** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:34 am

digger303 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:48 am
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:51 pm
Casper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:43 am

sorry forgot to add a reply to the last post

Nice black leather bobber seat, diamond embossed ....
I like the straight bars on the second bike and the two rear springs look much better than the original dampeners. The wrapped exhaust pipes look I'm hoping to do mine like that with some medical tape if I can find it
I have a fine black pig skin that would work for a seat
Not sure about doing diamond embossing at 1/12 scale....when I can't do it at 1:1 scale
Only have to emboss the lines so a diamond results......I have faith in you.

When the going gets tough, the tough call Twokids.

Post by **digger303** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:30 am

Stokesy44 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:34 am
digger303 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:48 am
Twokidsnosleep wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:51 pm

I have a fine black pig skin that would work for a seat
Not sure about doing diamond embossing at 1/12 scale....when I can't do it at 1:1 scale
Only have to emboss the lines so a diamond results......I have faith in you.

When the going gets tough, the tough call Twokids.

I can do this too.....

Hail the king of off beat subjects......

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:22 pm

oops
what have I started

sorry scott

would look cool though

Not sure how to emboss leather without the appropriate tools but a blunt knife or similar (stamp) hit with a small mallet on damp leather before you dress the seat could work but I don't know how it will come out on the thinner softer leather.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:51 pm

Well ok, I have decided to go a direction on the bike
Echos of Jeff Decker’s ‘52 Vincent Shadow

with my own twists

It won’t be an exact copy. I have to sheild the chain as it is only moulded as a chain where exposed. Gotta figure out a seat too.
I am liking the gold spokes and may keep that too

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:12 pm

excellent choice scott

BigWall · Post by **BigWall** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:26 am

Very cool and I had no doubt you would make it your own. It's going to be a fun build to watch as always!

Post by **digger303** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:33 am

YES that looks good.

Post by **Stokesy44** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:22 am

Modelling? Artistry more like.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:10 pm

Stokesy44 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:22 am Modelling? Artistry more like.

Indeed
Those Brit designers had a bit of style to them

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:13 pm

Saturday's work
I got the rims all painted...

and my hand

then I sang this for a while; Ba wa wa wa waaaaa

added more of the scary old how-did-I-not-destroy-these decals

Still need to 2k clear the tank, but will wait and let those decals dry off fully over the week

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:04 pm

wow scott

looking as one would expect

brilliant
loving the golden touch

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:23 am

Uhhh Houston, this is Tranquillity Base… we have a problem

Unauthorized cat snooze on the model bench chair, please advise
Subject is currently bathing after filthy hand pets happened

Kevthemodeller · Post by **Kevthemodeller** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:15 am

Oh yes, the spokes and colour are just great, can't wait for the clear coat

kpisnuts · Post by **kpisnuts** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:05 pm

Looking brilliant.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:10 am

Had to pin the damn front forks as they popped again when I looked at them funny
So 0.5mm brass pins into 0.5mm drilled holes in these three spots where the ca glue failed

I am going to do the outer wheel rim in Molotow chrome as seen here on the rear

Post by **digger303** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:05 am

Looking squish ( you keep laughing at smicko )

Shame about the forks giving you the works.
Do you think some of that metallic powder worked into the black would be any good ?

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:53 am

digger303 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:05 am Looking squish ( you keep laughing at smicko ) Shame about the forks giving you the works.
Do you think some of that metallic powder worked into the black would be any good ?

This is a Revell: weak frame, poor visual instructions, reinforcements necessary. I just built the Baja dirt bike and knew to reinforce it
I knew I should have done brass inserts at test fit stage, but I painted final colour on the forks instead
I knew the pathetic locators would not be strong but I kept fitting the forks with glues
I knew that ca glue doesn’t like to be stressed laterally and the forks were all glue retained but I patched them up twice
Tonight I broke off the RHS fork again except for at the point where I had added a pin already ….so I added brass pins to all joints
Mechanical retention + cement usually wins

Oh like that chrome effect powder

not a bad idea, might try that
I have some

For looking my friend

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:20 am

shame about the forks giving you a hard time scott.
The metallic powder sounds interesting and the Molotow chrome rim looks the part