Tamiya Tamiya Tamiya Italeri??? Phantom

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:10 pm

Gotta get my thread up here fast, they are going up like crazy
Pretty pedestrian Phantom 1/72nd from the stash

This will be my hardest build EVER as I am a self admitted muti-modificating-scratch-building so and so. I may need a referee and a panel of judges to rule over me. I was planning on a Tamiya 1/20 Lancia Stratos Turbo, but there is no way in heck I am doing that OOB, got too much PE and aftermarket to let it go to waste.

I like mr Lysus' challenge of using ONLY TAMIYA PRODUCTS to build the kit as well and will follow along with that:
Tamiya paint, thinners, cement, sanders, paint brushes and sprue cutters.
My time is crazy right now and I have entered more ISM builds at the same time than ever before and hopefully move into a new house late October
My head may actually

at some point during the build from all the stress
Should be fun to watch

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:03 pm

Excellent, as I said in the other Phantom thread, we can never have too many. Maybe if you do join in the "Lysus" challenge it'll help curb your scratch build itch

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:11 pm

Lysus wrote:Excellent, as I said in the other Phantom thread, we can never have too many. Maybe if you do join in the "Lysus" challenge it'll help curb your scratch build itch

Yes, that was what I was thinking too...keep my head and hands busy looking through drawers for Tamiya tools instead of making brass landing gears and such

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:15 am

Wow, so many cool Tamiya builds starting up, mine is kind of a dry white bread sandwich with processed cheese
Maybe if an add some resin aftermarket....oh never mind

ladip63 · Post by **ladip63** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:49 pm

Nice one Scott. Let's hope that your head doesn't

I'll be watching this build.

I'm doing the Academy 1/72 Phantom for the other sig.

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:19 am

I didnt even know tamiya did a phantom in 1/72 scott, it's somehow snuck under the radar ! This may help you relax a bit from your huge 1/1 super build

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:33 am

Johnj wrote:I didnt even know tamiya did a phantom in 1/72 scott, it's somehow snuck under the radar ! This may help you relax a bit from your huge 1/1 super build

It is a rebox of an Italeri...can see from the made in Italy on the box. I knew that from my experience with a Huey chopper I did a while ago. It was ok to build so I hope this will be the same.
Still gonna do the Lysus Challenge and keep everything I use on it Tamiya

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:34 am

ladip63 wrote:Nice one Scott. Let's hope that your head doesn't I'll be watching this build. I'm doing the Academy 1/72 Phantom for the other sig.

I will follow your then as well.
Are you doing a Tamiya build too???

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:17 pm

Did a little retail therapy today at LHS....got as much Tamiya as they had

Stocked up my paint supply, found some brushes, a paint pen for pre shading and then other stuff I already had.
This is the paint scheme version I am going to make or at least as close as I can get

Watched The Iron Giant on TV last night with family dinner TV night. I really like the film and its animation. Unfortunately I made a nice BIG Long Island Iced Tea and I was toast for any modelling for Friday

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:23 pm

Exellent

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:33 pm

Johnj wrote:Exellent

Thank you my friend

Now off to the house for some yard clean up, recycling and vac up the mess the electricians made inside

I will try and behave myself and not drink too much at once tonight so I can model...got a lot more than usual for me on my bench at the moment

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:49 pm

My first thought was 'at this time' but i'm forgeting your 4/5 hours behind us

I take it your not too far from the new place ?

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:28 am

Johnj wrote:My first thought was 'at this time' but i'm forgeting your 4/5 hours behind us
I take it your not too far from the new place ?

Time-wise we are 7 hrs behind you guys.Currently renting about 2kms or less away just a bit farther south.
Do lots of drive by visits in am and pm to check on things. Can work on a weekend and pop back for lunch or pick up what I forgot. Also same route back from work so I usually stop by.

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:40 am

You've done well to keep up with modeling with what you have on the go, i'm seriously impressed

And i've just realised it's 4.40am here ! Geez oh, the days are a blink !

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:59 am

Johnj wrote:You've done well to keep up with modeling with what you have on the go, i'm seriously impressed

And i've just realised it's 4.40am here ! Geez oh, the days are a blink !

Sounds like the next day has just begun!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:52 am

I have started the cockpit out
Have already voided my all Tamiya products by using Mr Surfacer on the seats...who the heck has a seam down the middle of a seat?? I hate the white Tamiya putty, so went to Mr Hobby, so ashamed

But I did use TET. Little lightheaded from all those fumes

It is kind of freeing to do a build oob with no pressure for extra doodads and such.
Problem is the kit has to be up to snuff as well...and this one is barely snuff-able or maybe it should be snuffed out. One of two. Just realized no pilots in the kit....that sucks too b/c I cannot add them

Spook · Post by **Spook** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:45 pm

This was my attempt at the same kit straight from the box,and it was abit of a pig,just wait for the gap where the fuselage joins the wing.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:31 pm

Well Simon, that looks great, exactly what I am after

I have the car body putty ready now that you warn me...industrial size from the sounds of it.
I played with the fuselage halves and could see I am in for a battle.
Appreciate the warning

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:56 pm

Lysus wrote:
Johnj wrote:
Sounds like the next day has just begun!

I'm just up and it seems it's half over now

Scott, i know you said it was a re-box of something else but i'm still a little supprised with the poor quality. Looks like you have your work cut out for you !

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:15 pm

Johnj wrote:
Lysus wrote:
Johnj wrote:
Sounds like the next day has just begun!
I'm just up and it seems it's half over now

Scott, i know you said it was a re-box of something else but i'm still a little supprised with the poor quality. Looks like you have your work cut out for you !

It will be fine. I am expecting those fit issues, so will deal with them as they come.
Getting the tips beforehand help a lot

Have the cockpit halfway done, but had an emerg visit to office and need to get kids shoes for school
Maybe tonight some photos

ladip63 · Post by **ladip63** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:53 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote:
ladip63 wrote:Nice one Scott. Let's hope that your head doesn't I'll be watching this build. I'm doing the Academy 1/72 Phantom for the other sig.
I will follow your then as well.
Are you doing a Tamiya build too???

Unfortunately I'm not

Can't afford two builds at this time. I got my Academy 1/72 F-4J Phantom II for Guy Phantom SIG.

gaz45 · Post by **gaz45** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:16 am

Nice choice mate

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:17 pm

gaz45 wrote:Nice choice mate

Well I hope so, Gaz

I have been looking at wing and fuselage fittage and it will be interesting
I see why the plane builders buy so much aftermarket stuff, maybe I should have done an F1 or bike
It is killing me not to have any seat belts in the cockpit or pilots for that matter
The airbrush WILL HAVE to be found, unpacked and fired up for the paint scheme work

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:11 pm

Going a little crazy with the Tamiya clear colours and the drybrush silver....kind of like a Christmas tree in the cockpit

Dry brushing aluminum True Metal to bring out dials and switches

Taking some picks now as won't see a darn thing once finished. The location and angulation of things is complete guesswork and not able to predict how it will all fit into the fuselage :scratch::No tabs or positive seats at all.

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:25 pm

That's a fantastic cockpit. Kudos to you for resisting modifying anything, I'm sure you're gritting your teeth the whole time

(PS: The Phantom SiG cannot start soon enough for me...)

ladip63 · Post by **ladip63** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:06 pm

Cockpit looks great!! Lots-o-detail.

Come on Oct. I want to start my Phantom!!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:13 pm

ladip63 wrote:Cockpit looks great!! Lots-o-detail.

Come on Oct. I want to start my Phantom!!

I am praying September is long and dry.....just to get house stuff moving faster
You can take notes on how not to make a Phantom through me

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:16 pm

Lysus wrote:That's a fantastic cockpit. Kudos to you for resisting modifying anything, I'm sure you're gritting your teeth the whole time

(PS: The Phantom SiG cannot start soon enough for me...)

Holy crap it is hard to not modify anything

who makes a kit with no seat belts ..that shouldn't be legal!!!
But I shall resist and get a TMJ flare up in the meanwhile

Oh the Tamiya only, ya well screw that

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:19 pm

A friendly Spook warned me about the wing to fuselage fit, so I am taking precautions.....thanks for that bud, you were dead on

I would probably add thin styrene, but thought that might be scratch building, so Bondo putty.
Added increments to wing internal and press moulded them to a damp fuselage so as not to stick to it.
That way it takes the shape needed to close the gap. When I am happy, I will add thin Ca over the bond to seal and strengthen.
Here we have the RHS fitting pretty well and the LHS needing smoothing.
They call this the "Salt and Pepper" method in dentistry to sneak up on a tight fitting provisional crown with acrylic...ooohh I could have used dental acrylic, darn.Will try that next time.

Got a bit farther than my cockpit goal for the weekend, so pretty happy.
Managed to mangle the seats and the ejector handles with the masking, so took the handles off for now

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:27 pm

I did some priming last night to see how my putty work was doing
The answer??: More sanding!!! it looked god awful

I will have to take off some panel lines and re-scribe a bit

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:57 am

This thing really is a putty pig!!!
Wings and fuselage are glued and now puttied to dry overnight

This is the most I have had to seal up joints on a kit in a long time

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:22 pm

Ha ha ho ho hee hee har har Dioramas ARE allowed...all in the rules my friends

Planning a runway base using left over tiles from the shower.
I have to peel them off and re-align them so the lines all run straight lines and tiles are closer together

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:30 pm

Nice!

And bonus, an outlet for your scratch building needs! Dig the tile idea.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:48 pm

Lysus wrote:Nice!

And bonus, an outlet for your scratch building needs! Dig the tile idea.

Indeed, I get to do something other than putty and sand

kiwigav · Post by **kiwigav** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:28 am

Great looking kit Scott , one of the coolest jets too

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:47 pm

kiwigav wrote:Great looking kit Scott , one of the coolest jets too

Absolutely Gav, thanks for looking in.
Pretty boring thread really what with all the putty work and less than spectacular kit
I got some larger tiles than the ones above, same pattern, and will use those for the diorama base so it doesn't look like a bathroom floor

kiwigav · Post by **kiwigav** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:37 pm

Tiles are a great idea, leftovers from the house build?

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:12 pm

kiwigav wrote:Tiles are a great idea, leftovers from the house build?

Indeed.
I am like a little pack rat collecting bits and pieces of materials that look interesting to me for dioramas and projects

kiwigav · Post by **kiwigav** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:31 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote:
kiwigav wrote:Tiles are a great idea, leftovers from the house build?
Indeed.
I am like a little pack rat collecting bits and pieces of materials that look interesting to me for dioramas and projects

I'm the same. Can't help but looking at everything from a modelling point of view

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:08 am

Trying out the larger tiles

All this does is show me I have more sanding to do

Time to switch back to the 747 Mad Max build for a bit

Madmattmodels89 · Post by **Madmattmodels89** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:37 am

Great build so far!!! Nice to see your use of leftovers to build the diorama! The one I'm making for my M5A1 is made out of old foam plate, dead flowers toilet paper, oregano leaves and chamomile lol!!

Can't wait to see some paint on that bad boy

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:54 pm

Madmattmodels89 wrote:Great build so far!!! Nice to see your use of leftovers to build the diorama! The one I'm making for my M5A1 is made out of old foam plate, dead flowers toilet paper, oregano leaves and chamomile lol!!

Can't wait to see some paint on that bad boy

I bet it will look cool AND smell really nice!

pourquoi61 · Post by **pourquoi61** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:37 am

Looking good, even with filler on every major joint.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:32 am

pourquoi61 wrote:Looking good, even with filler on every major joint.

Thank you, my friend

Key observant words there: "EVERY MAJOR JOINT"....and some minor ones too

The kit is truly a putty pig

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:38 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote:
pourquoi61 wrote:Looking good, even with filler on every major joint.
Thank you, my friend
Key observant words there: "EVERY MAJOR JOINT"....and some minor ones too
The kit is truly a putty pig

Putty pig is my new favorite phrase.

I think I like the bigger tiles better.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:42 am

Oh for sure on the bigger tiles definitely

I had some other euphemisms for it than putty pig, but they are not safe in public
Getting happier with aircraft's shape since I put the nose on...got those wicked angles to it now

Moving to the 747 build so I can finish it off for October...did some fire/ smoke staining in all the windows

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:34 pm

What putty do you use scott and how do you sand it at the wing roots with that 90deg angle ?

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:51 pm

Johnj wrote:What putty do you use scott and how do you sand it at the wing roots with that 90deg angle ?

Poorly, John, I sand it poorly

Ha ha yes it is tough there those 90 degrees.I am long from finished with them and then re-scribing details I destroy.
What I use is 3M Bondo and I took a Q tip (not a cotton bud, never use those nasty things) dipped in lacquer thinner and rubbed the begeusus out of the Bondo until it conformed to the line and took way excess. I saw mr Patterson do the same with Mr Surfacer in one of his videos, but I like the Bondo as is bit thicker and easier to manipulate.
For the sanding I have been using Ultimate's sanding sticks with tape over raised details so as not to destroy it all.Then wet sandpaper with a thin wooden 90 degree stick inside to press into the joint
Hope that is clear as mud for you

gaz45 · Post by **gaz45** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:49 am

Very nice work so far mate

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:27 pm

gaz45 wrote:Very nice work so far mate

Thank you my friend

Quite honestly it is all putty and a bugger of a kit, so I may be in over my head!!!