Tamiya Tamiya Tamiya Italeri??? Phantom

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:53 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote:
Johnj wrote:What putty do you use scott and how do you sand it at the wing roots with that 90deg angle ?
Poorly, John, I sand it poorly

Ha ha yes it is tough there those 90 degrees.I am long from finished with them and then re-scribing details I destroy.
What I use is 3M Bondo and I took a Q tip (not a cotton bud, never use those nasty things) dipped in lacquer thinner and rubbed the begeusus out of the Bondo until it conformed to the line and took way excess. I saw mr Patterson do the same with Mr Surfacer in one of his videos, but I like the Bondo as is bit thicker and easier to manipulate.
For the sanding I have been using Ultimate's sanding sticks with tape over raised details so as not to destroy it all.Then wet sandpaper with a thin wooden 90 degree stick inside to press into the joint
Hope that is clear as mud for you

it's a bit of a worry that i understood every word

what is bondo ? I've heard it mentioned many times but have no idea what it's like !
The phantom is coming along well though

like you said before we dont see the pain you go through to get it to each stage

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:21 pm

Bondo is a product name for a 3M putty. It is used in the automotive industry in North America

Spook · Post by **Spook** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:48 pm

Looking good Scott. You wouldn't believe how many times I threatened to take a hammer to mine but it's worth it in the end.
It looks like you've used almost a tube of putty so you should be just about done.

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:51 pm

Ah, 3M ! Quality product then

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:59 am

God help me, I went over the seams with Mr Surfacer 500 again to get the little air bubbles out
I am going to be sanding until dooms day

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:25 pm

What sanding usually feels like to me:

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:29 pm

EXACTLY!!!!
So very a' propos

patrickroos · Post by **patrickroos** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:03 pm

Good progress regardless!

Have You tried Vallejo plastic putty and the techniques you can do with it?
It has completely changed how I work myself since I got the hang of it...
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kiwigav · Post by **kiwigav** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:04 pm

patrickroos wrote:Good progress regardless!

Have You tried Vallejo plastic putty and the techniques you can do with it?
It has completely changed how I work myself since I got the hang of it...
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Yip this stuff is great. I also have in my box of tricks a bottle of melted spru in tamiya Xtra think. When my old glue bottle was down low I chopped up some spru into tiny pieces and chucked them in the glue. You get a jar of molten plastic and it sets fast and hard.

Good luck with rest of build buddy

ladip63 · Post by **ladip63** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:23 am

OH GEE! I missed a bunch. I like the big tiles. Sand, Sand, Bondo, Sand, Sand

You'll get through it, Scott. Looking good so far.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:55 am

patrickroos wrote:Good progress regardless!

Have You tried Vallejo plastic putty and the techniques you can do with it?
It has completely changed how I work myself since I got the hang of it...
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Will look into it, thanks

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:57 am

ladip63 wrote:OH GEE! I missed a bunch. I like the big tiles. Sand, Sand, Bondo, Sand, Sand You'll get through it, Scott. Looking good so far.

Thanks for the support my friend. Not much moving forward unfortunately

Lysus' mopping gif describes exactly my sentiments of the build at the moment.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:38 am

Moving this Phantom along in tandem with the other Phantom sig where I am making a Thunderbird
She is all primed up and I have the paint scheme and all the paints organized, just gotta do some taping up
Here is her underbelly

And I will get a topside photo
Ok here we go, the OOB instruction sheet legal paint scheme

The sharkmouth in the background is what I would like to do, but alas that would be kitbashing

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:44 pm

Re-studying the paint scheme I am surprised that the bands of colour don't wrap around the aircraft from top to bottom??!!
For example, the dark blue on topside of left wing tip has light grey on the underside.

Makes a bigger challenge for taping and painting

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:04 pm

That's... weird. Did they just not think the diagram through or is it really like that?

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:41 pm

Lysus wrote:That's... weird. Did they just not think the diagram through or is it really like that?

Glad you see what I mean
My Tamiya instruction sheet has the same look as if they screwed up the underside picture, but then so do the internet searches

demarcation · Post by **demarcation** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:44 pm

Nice work mate

and I agree, the sharkmouth edition look cool!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:07 pm

Thanks bud...i have a couple more to do, so will make one with the teeth some day
I need another day added to the weekends...a day free of chores, shopping and hassles where you are allowed to only do fun stuff or sleep
Slotherday

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:23 pm

The right side and plan view of the green doesnt seem to match up ? On the side view it shows the full leading edge up to the wing root as green but the plan view only shows the green quite a bit away from the wing root ?

Or am i reading it wrong ? I have to say scott, i really like the colour scheme with the sharkmouth although very tricky to mask !

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:44 pm

Ya, I am seeing the same as you John, something is a miss in the photos.... or I am reading it wrong???
To me, it seems the topside and underside photos do not have paint flow together, rather mirror image each other
That is why I posted the pic, just makes my brain hurt when I look at the photo and try to plan the tape up

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:56 pm

Yeah, it doesnt flow from top to bottom. Where do you split them though - centre of the leading edge ?

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:58 pm

Johnj wrote:Yeah, it doesnt flow from top to bottom. Where do you split them though - centre of the leading edge ?

My question exactly....I have a pM in to Spook, he has made one with this scheme.
C'mon Spooky give me the word, Bud

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:24 am

I airbrushed the main belly tank tonight.
The Tamiya Xf-50 is a beautiful flat blue and lays down sweet... 12 drops paint:14 drops X-20

I am starting to get my stride with mixing right in the cup, a quick clean up and actually enjoying airbrushing

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:49 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote:I airbrushed the main belly tank tonight.
The Tamiya Xf-50 is a beautiful flat blue and lays down sweet... 12 drops paint:14 drops X-20

I am starting to get my stride with mixing right in the cup, a quick clean up and actually enjoying airbrushing

Yeah, same here scott. Building these aircraft had me looking for a faster method and the quick clean up because of the vast amount of colors with colour changes on the airbrush

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:00 pm

Usually when you think you get the hang of something disaster strikes the next time...kind of like a good round of golf, you are toast on the next round

I have decided to do my paint scheme wrap around this model despite the a centric instruction plan.
As Wise John pointed out "where do you put a finish line??!!" To me it is far more logical to have the lines wrap top to bottom and blend.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:22 am

First two stripes or her upper backside painted XF66 and XF19....notice pile of tape used

I will let this set up until Saturday night before any more taping so I don't risk pulling any paint off

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:57 am

Curse of the overconfident airbrusher comes true.
The airbrush had no pressure tonight, spluttered and fluttered and I could not get it sounding right.
After cleaning out paint from two brushes that I tried to use, I pulled apart the quick disconnect and found that the pressure was fine with direct connecting the line to the airbrush. Then I found a GD little ball of styrofoam jammed inside the quick connect....likely from the packaging box. How it got there and why now it shows up???

Unreal

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:18 pm

Somewhat rescued my splotchy mess from last night
Got some runs under the tape seams, so have to touch up a few areas...hopefully tonight
The H and S airbrush sprays well, but the air seems to stick in the on position for some reason
Pics when topside paint done

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:40 pm

Just put it down
Working on airbrushing the last top deck stripe....but will have to retouch up a couple areas
Clearly my taping skills are not up to snuff

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:55 pm

Thats a tough surface to mask scott

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:08 pm

Johnj wrote:Thats a tough surface to mask scott

and I have done it poorly in spots John, to my own detriment

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:39 pm

Agreed, lots of roundy bits to keep a line over. Looks great to me.

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:58 pm

Lysus wrote:Agreed, lots of roundy bits to keep a line over. Looks great to me.

Yep, me too. Will a quick touch-up resolve it ?

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:02 am

Johnj wrote:
Lysus wrote:Agreed, lots of roundy bits to keep a line over. Looks great to me.
Yep, me too. Will a quick touch-up resolve it ?

I think so, the trick is blending the fix into the previous layer...that's where I always screw it up. Scott's a determined modeler, though.

Seems like I always have bleeders or errant puffs.

ETA: If you can't there's always chipping/weathering

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:19 am

Ya, I will put up a pic of where I am at, having fine sanded out the puffs
Bleeds mid wing both sides, nice.

Very tempted to not airbrush these again...remember that mopping gif you put up a while ago???

I can see the issue with panel lines and weathering since these flat paints will suck up stain like maniacs.
So I will touch up paint, clear, panel line,weather and then flat coat

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:58 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Very tempted to not airbrush these again...remember that mopping gif you put up a while ago???

Oh yes, believe me I'm in the same boat on mine...if I ever get the update, er, up, you'll see.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:59 am

Researching again and it shows me that the 301 Navy reserve unit aka "The Devil's Disciples" did have that weird paint scheme top to bottom. Found some good photographs of real and modelled F4's

From Wikipedia:
VF-301 was activated on 1 October 1970 and assigned to Carrier Air Wing Reserve 30 (CVWR-30) (tail code "ND") at Naval Air Station Miramar, California (USA).
The squadron first flew the F-8L Crusader and later transitioned to the F-4B Phantom in 1974. Their time with the B-models was short and VF-301 soon received the F-4N in February 1975. In 1980, VF-301 received the most advanced F-4 variant in the U.S. Navy, the F-4S. In October 1984 the unit transitioned to the F-14A Tomcat. The squadron made its first deployment with the F-14A on 21 April 1985, with five aircraft visiting MCAS Yuma, Arizona for air-to-air training against U.S. Marine Corps F-21A Kfir fighters of Marine Fighter Training Squadron 401 (VMFT-401). At this time, the squadron was still transitioning to the F-14 and it was not until 4 August the same year the entire squadron was able to deploy to NAS Fallon, Nevada for air wing training.

The Devil's Disciples first carrier landings were on board the USS Ranger. Further carrier training was limited but did include time on board the USS Enterprise between 10 and 22 August 1988. Later in its life the squadron became the first Naval Air Reserve squadron to drop air-to-ground ordnance, specifically Mk 84 bombs and Mk 20 cluster munitions.

After 24 years of service VF-301 was disestablished on 11 September 1994, the same time as sister squadron VF-302, due to post-Cold War budget cuts where the Navy opted to sacrifice Reserve F-14 squadrons to keep Regular Navy F-14 squadrons operating. Deactivation of the rest of CVWR-30 was soon to follow. During these 24 years VF-301 had acquired an outstanding safety record, flying 71,322.4 hours without a Class A mishap, setting a new record for Navy tactical jet squadrons.

Augustus · Post by **Augustus** » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:43 pm

Well I think it looks mighty fine!

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:57 pm

Augustus wrote:Well I think it looks mighty fine!

Thanks bud, I am trying

Johnj · Post by **Johnj** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:34 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote:
Augustus wrote:Well I think it looks mighty fine!
Thanks bud, I am trying

Did the images show the separation line ? Leading edge maybe ?

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:27 am

Johnj wrote:
Twokidsnosleep wrote:
Augustus wrote:Well I think it looks mighty fine!
Thanks bud, I am trying
Did the images show the separation line ? Leading edge maybe ?

Yep looks like leading edge is topside colour....makes sense
I don't know the builder of this wonderful model, so I hesitated to post a photo, BUT hey it is a gorgeous model and if it is your build, just let me know and I will be happy to reference your talents and give you credit

Mine will be more weathered than this but I hope half as good.
The callouts for paint shades by the Tamiya instructions are a bit darker than that build's, seems to be many variations

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:55 pm

Been making progress spraying the underside this morning. Different than the top as far flatter and I am using Tamiya white vinyl tape as the primary masking line
Here I have the inside line the vinyl tape and then a layer of regular Tamiya outside where it touches painted areas and then I use painters tape and paper for gross large area coverage beyond that

Peeling back the vinyl...line looks pretty darn good. Love the Tamiya XF-19 sprays so sweet

Finished off stripe three of four for the bottom

Time for a dog walk in the snow and some shovelling

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:00 pm

Looks great! I don't enjoy masking, but I enjoy removing it when I can get results like that

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:28 am

Lubrication assistance by rum and egg nog, the fourth line is sprayed.
The bottom painted a heck of a lot cleaner than the topside...fewer compound curves and vinyl tape used

Have to clean up topside now

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:07 pm

Got the heat sheild area painted up with shiny aluminum...weathering to follow

I will get the tail feathers going next and then I guess I have to clear coat before I panel line and weather???
Ooh gotta stick on some decals as well

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:52 pm

So much progress! I should be so busy I can barely glance at the forum more often. Looking sweet!

Spook · Post by **Spook** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:44 pm

She looking good pal. The colours are right, it's not a full wrap around as you would think so the coloured on the top and bottom of the outer wing air different. Like you I did mine as a dirty bird, but I made a school boy error and didn't seal it properly before putting the wash on

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:48 pm

Spook wrote:She looking good pal. The colours are right, it's not a full wrap around as you would think so the coloured on the top and bottom of the outer wing air different.

Thanks Simon

Wish I painted the bottom first, it was a breeze compared to those compound curves on the top
Gettting close to clear coating it and then panel lines, decals and weathering

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:47 am

Lysus wrote:So much progress! I should be so busy I can barely glance at the forum more often. Looking sweet!

Winter break is coming soon and i will have to pack up all my modelling stuff to be able to move....like in a week!!!

I bet you will get a nice quiet holiday with lots of modelling

Lysus · Post by **Lysus** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:56 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote:
Lysus wrote:So much progress! I should be so busy I can barely glance at the forum more often. Looking sweet!

Winter break is coming soon and i will have to pack up all my modelling stuff to be able to move....like in a week!!!

I bet you will get a nice quiet holiday with lots of modelling

A week! Woo-hoo! Wait...what will I do without the "...oh and a house, too" thread?