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Monogram Hawker Hurricane - Mk IID - 1/48

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Dr Sprue's 1/48 Monogram Hawker Hurricane - where we are so far - from the ISM Warring Weather GB

Hi guys!
OK, this is a continuation build of my Monogram Hawker Hurricane that I was doing on the Waring Weather build during the end of August. I did not finish it. I ran out of time because I came in late, and really just started back in this hobby about 4 months ago. Never finished any aircraft as well so here goes with the ongoing effort to continue my build of Hurricane Mk IID.

1st a small (short) review from the older WW startup.
(NOTE: If you would like to review some of that work, especially some of the hurricane pictures of the Mk IIC, IID and Mk IV that made on those posts towards the bottom of the page, please visit here if you have the time.)
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I purchased this kit in the early 90's from ACME surplus we had here in the US, when I got back into modeling for a short time and put it in my stash until now. Yea a bit of an older mold but I got it for 99 cents, but for some reason Monogram dumped this kit to ACME and made it available to many at that time. The only problem is that it was packaged without a box but contained everything: ins/decals/sprues/clear parts but . . . . .
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They did re-released this kit a bit later with this box below. (never had it, this is just for show of what it would look like if you bought one now and is available on fleebay).
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It was reboxed many times and actually this particular kit was first molded in 1964!
I had the one (show below) but my mom got me this release in 1968, which was the 1st rebox. I built it back then as well, so you can see why I liked it. It was one of the few aircraft models I ever built. I did not keep the box (who does) but what goes around comes around I guess. At least sprue wise and I got it again in the 90's. (note these pictures are copies of the boxes from scalemates, non of which I have)
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Now having a bit of my past in about 50 years, this Hurricane has followed me. Twice, but now its being built.
Here is an expanded view of everything after I opened the bag a few months ago.
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During my initial build in the Waring weather GB I was starting to do a bit of scratch (and not being a scratch builder either) I was going to try and improve this kit that was very poor with NO undercarage detail at all (because it was made for kids to have a working undercarriage, for both flight and landing) also it was designed like most of the kits - back in the day... to have NO internal canopy detail at ALL other than a sad pilot and a simple back support to hold him.

It also had a closed canopy short of seeing inside at all. I did cut it open for a possible inside view but opted for the one from squadron mentioned briefly in the old WWGB post.

Here is a mockup of what it may have looked like if the working undercarriage was installed. (I scratch-built my own as you will see in the next post... in landing only form as we all like to do) It did fold down if the wings were glued but was very Clunky and you had to remove some strut pieces as well to make it close. I remember mine broke very quickly too when I was a boy. It was a selling point I believe for monogram back then.
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Thats it (Below)for internal canopy detail! The pilot has a post on his back that plugged into the backboard. Then just slide him into the fuselage stumps and your done, and buttin him up! Pop the canopy on and your finished.
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They also included a (so so) decal cockpit display that only could be attached after the fuselages were together....hmmm OK did I say this mold was from 1964? Hmmm... Thats when the Beatles started there music too.

I did make a decal holder out of scratch tho to hold the decal and allow me to slide it in during the cockpit redesign with a seat, but as soon as I was trying to apply it, I forgot how powerful solvaset was and it folded over so bad I had to discard it. :wall:
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Then I got this a few weeks ago! YIPPEEE!!
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OK, here is page one (from the 1964 instructions, Monogram in the top right!) of this cool piece of aircraft Im building here and the top photo of this bird is in fact the Mk IID and not the Mk IIC that I was going to build in the group build! It will not be the Mk IIC now! Yes I am building the D :shifty: Why? (because the wings :crazy: told me too.) :wtf:
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Here is page 1 from my kit (below) that was in the bag from the 90's (note, no Monogram in that one?? Why?).
(a very cool history of the model company here on this kit)
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I will reveal the reason why in the next few posts :shock: and continue the scratch stuff I was doing towards the end of the WW build and the new stuff I am doing now. I hope you enjoyed this "short" - "where we are so far" thing. Please ask any questions as Im continuing this fun blast from the past. :banana:

I would like to thank all those that viewed and commented about the basic work I was starting to do with this plane so much and helping me step by step for something I have not done in a long time. Now I can do it a bit more, and finish it to make it look (hopefully) nicer than the one I did as a young boy. Hmm for some reason, I dont think I even painted it back then. I guess thats why I picked the name DrSprue and not DrPaint for this forum? :lol:

Thank you for stopping by and looking and listening to my story, ya gotta love this bird! :cheers2:
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:cheers2:

Looking forward to seeing you move this onwards Tony!
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Thanks Neil!

OK, I know I promised you guys an explanation of how the wings told me to change (yea, the wings :wtf: , not me!)
my direction to complete this build by making this plane a Mk IId ... not a Mk IIc!

There were a few bombs placements and/or the four 20mm guns for a Mk IIc and at that time seemed like a cool approach I wanted to do. Also, witch was cool too, was at the bottom of the wings were two 40 mm Vickers S guns for the MkIId. Hmm which one to build? I wanted the quad (inside wing) 20mm guns for the Mk IIc as I got started. So I planned in making that hawker. OK, when I fitted the wings together at the end of last month, I found out that on one part of the wing was warped (well in a way I knew, but I thought that when I glued the two halves, one side would outway the other and connect correctly), but when the glue dried after clamp's removed, :wall: nope... it didnt work. I thought it was a pretzel at 1st :lol: (well not that bad, but it was in my mind a way bit off) So with TET not completly hard yet, I cracked it back open to think about this a bit more.

I bent that large wing (note this model is one single wide wing) with clamps, added some weights holding it down in a few spots and then slowly gluing it with super glue, step by step for placement and correction, and when done, the wing was straight and ready to accept the armor scheme I was going to do.... except for one thing. The wing was now straight but by the re-positioning and using CA, even though it was for maximum strength was thicker on left (port) side now. The warp was gone, but too thick on one side. I dont know if this was because of my shifting and re-gluing, slowly or just the bad warp on that side from the very old mold.

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Look to the right of the wing (above) slightly to the right of the landing gear strut and you can see its thicker. It may not look that bad in the picture, but holding it and moving it around or testing it with wheels, yup... that port side was pregnant! :eeek: Kind of like a bump, I measured .44 of an inch on the port side thickness and a little over .4 on the starboard, just on the side of the struts. About a 1 mm too wide. No it was not the undercarriage stuff I did, that was very thin. If you look at the wing sprue layouts way up at the top of this post, you can kind of see the warp (and a twist) on the left side of the wing near the bag.
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OK, it was close to the end of the GB, and I didnt even have the plane together no less painting it, even though the scratch build cockpit and undercarriage was kinda done. So I decided to give my aircraft a girdle! It was the end of the GB, which brings me to now.

In the section where the bombs go, there is an exact placement also for the WIDE 40 mm Vickers guns to the right (below). You can see the 4 small holes that monogram did, so I put a large hole in the middle with my drill. The gun cover will now be over a Nylon 2-56 half inch bolt, Im sinking into the (inside) top of the wing poking out of the bottom! Held on internally by CA. (Yea, in my former life I was in engineering :shhh: ) This would squeeze the port wing to any width I decided by the threaded nut and when done.... Put the 40 mm Vickers cover over it (as per the instructions) which will make this a Mk II....D! One of the 5 versions this kit had.
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Heres the nylon bolt and Vickers cover (below)
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The glued in bolt. (Note: The CA glue is holding the bolt on the top side of the wing, inside.) I tried to pull it off by hand too, yea. its stuck!
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Tiny metal nut and washer
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And here it is, with the adjustable wing!! Look at the nut to the right holding its thickness! :D
(Compare this to the 1st picture up above in this post)
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Now here it is with the Vickers cover over the nut/bolt assembly... (you cant see anything bolt wise, top or bottom)
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So I think you can see now why this model will always have to be a Hawker Hurricane Mk II(D)!

I just had to do a little "squeezing" to fix this wing. The only problem is that when It takes off for flight, it will always drag to the port side because of the added weight... :rofl: (OK yea...now Im joking!)

I really dont know if any of this will be useful to most of you with modern model aircraft, especially when most kits have two main wing assemblies and may have been released in the last few years. I think the crap I had back in the day was just that, very poorly molded stuff for kids that could have cared less about accuracy. Does the company "Starfix" ring any bells, or really any old Monogram (pre-Revell merger), MPC type aircraft that was available. Ive got one Lindberg He111 bomber I got from a tag sale one day... and all I have to say is :wtf: . It was what it was, for young kids to make in one day, hang on the wall and eventually in my town, set on fire in the driveway pretending to be Vic Morrow in a WWII battle. Also if this long dragged out explanation even had you interested for the few minutes it took to read, I would feel honored. This took a long to time to write also.

This one was a 50 year old mold as well, but next time, CA and and a few nylon bolts could save your day in some other way on any newer model? They are really small and CA grabs them quite well and if done right could allow you to adjust anything!! I hope this helped some of you in any small way with what I was up against. If you were brave enuff to read this far.. :lol:

Thank you for stopping by and looking! :cheers2:
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I am loving this. I also took on a very old kit as my first kit back after a long pause, and I've had a blast with it. Can't wait to see more.
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Wiggus wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:05 pm I am loving this. I also took on a very old kit as my first kit back after a long pause, and I've had a blast with it. Can't wait to see more.
Oh cool, what was the old kit? Did the kit company also lack adding in the seat and stuff. Good luck with it.
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It's an old AMT Hawker Tempest V 1/48.
I have thread up about it under the Prop Aircraft section.

It did have a seat...umm, more like a morgue slab that I added sides too.

And after all the work I did on the instrument cluster,
I forgot to install it before I glued the fuselage together. Stupid.
You couldn't see it once the canopy is on anyway. :-)
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I really like reading these old model surgery journals. I think the work you're doing is really awesome!
I sometimes buy 'bad' old kits (such as the Tamiya Panther Ausf. A) to try and build up nice and properly but it hasn't really gone well so far.
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Oh thank you Tommi. Yea I have to get back on it. Its not that far off. I think the building has been fun, but Its the painting that is slowing me down. I need warmer weather and still doing that in my garage. Here in New England its still below freezing and I am not that good at any kind of painting yet as well.
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